Comments on: Ireland and/or Eire http://irishkc.com/ireland-andor-eire.htm Kansas City Irish Festivals, Music, Pubs, & Events by an Artist in Ireland Sat, 26 May 2012 05:21:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: eolai http://irishkc.com/ireland-andor-eire.htm#comment-193436 eolai Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:20:16 +0000 http://irishkc.com/index.php/ireland-andor-eire.htm#comment-193436 <em>i dont believe you were born in ireland</em> Excellent point, Bill. <em>there is one dublin. ie one county - despite the official stance</em> Perhaps you don't know what counties are? They are units of local government. You don't get to ignore official boundaries. You can choose to recognise the traditional counties only if you like, but it's not like they themselves are something that was there forever; they didn't exist until the British gave them to us. And some of their boundaries didn't make sense if you considered historical territories in Ireland. We refer to the traditional counties because we're used to them. But they've continually evolved and will continue to. I don't like that I live in a county now called South Dublin but that's who collects my rubbish no matter how much I support a team in Gaelic games called Dublin. I would hate for the Dublin GAA to be split up to match the newer counties, not least because living in the north and west of the new county I feel more affinity for some areas in Fingal than most of South Dublin. But I wouldn't be surprised if those born in Fingal, South Dublin and Dun Laoghaire & Rathdown in the last 15 years don't feel as attached to what you and I know as Dublin. <em>ireland is one and can and should be used to refer to ireland.</em> There are rather a lot of people in the north of the country who don't agree with this. <em>éire also can be used. republic, the republic , the republic of ireland , eire, eireann, 26 counties or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it</em> The Constitution doesn't agree with you. And anyway, call it "26 counties"? I thought you said Ireland was one? <em>whatever is natural or normal for you</em> What if you normally call it by a name the Consititution of Ireland doesn't recognise? <em>ask any irish person if they give a crap if...</em> I have asked an Irish person. I've asked myself. And you're right, the non-existence of official county flags, the number of administrative counties in the Republic, and the creation of administrative districts in Northern Ireland, aren't hugely important. But that doesn't make them untrue. Cheers. i dont believe you were born in ireland
Excellent point, Bill.

there is one dublin. ie one county - despite the official stance
Perhaps you don’t know what counties are? They are units of local government. You don’t get to ignore official boundaries.

You can choose to recognise the traditional counties only if you like, but it’s not like they themselves are something that was there forever; they didn’t exist until the British gave them to us. And some of their boundaries didn’t make sense if you considered historical territories in Ireland.

We refer to the traditional counties because we’re used to them. But they’ve continually evolved and will continue to. I don’t like that I live in a county now called South Dublin but that’s who collects my rubbish no matter how much I support a team in Gaelic games called Dublin.

I would hate for the Dublin GAA to be split up to match the newer counties, not least because living in the north and west of the new county I feel more affinity for some areas in Fingal than most of South Dublin. But I wouldn’t be surprised if those born in Fingal, South Dublin and Dun Laoghaire & Rathdown in the last 15 years don’t feel as attached to what you and I know as Dublin.

ireland is one and can and should be used to refer to ireland.
There are rather a lot of people in the north of the country who don’t agree with this.

éire also can be used. republic, the republic , the republic of ireland , eire, eireann, 26 counties or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it
The Constitution doesn’t agree with you. And anyway, call it “26 counties”? I thought you said Ireland was one?

whatever is natural or normal for you
What if you normally call it by a name the Consititution of Ireland doesn’t recognise?

ask any irish person if they give a crap if…
I have asked an Irish person. I’ve asked myself.

And you’re right, the non-existence of official county flags, the number of administrative counties in the Republic, and the creation of administrative districts in Northern Ireland, aren’t hugely important. But that doesn’t make them untrue.

Cheers.

]]> By: bill http://irishkc.com/ireland-andor-eire.htm#comment-193323 bill Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:45:40 +0000 http://irishkc.com/index.php/ireland-andor-eire.htm#comment-193323 i dont believe you were born in ireland official or not, and i live in fingal, there is one dublin. ie one county - despite the official stance ireland is one and can and should be used to refer to ireland. éire also can be used. republic, the republic , the republic of ireland , eire, eireann, 26 counties or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it whatever is natural or normal for you ask any irish person if they give a crap if their officially is no ''official'' flags for the counties or if there is technically 28 counties in the republic or how officially the counties of the north are not counties - and thats nothing to do with what they are called either. i dont believe you were born in ireland

official or not, and i live in fingal, there is one dublin. ie one county - despite the official stance

ireland is one and can and should be used to refer to ireland.
éire also can be used. republic, the republic , the republic of ireland , eire, eireann, 26 counties or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it

whatever is natural or normal for you

ask any irish person if they give a crap if their officially is no ”official” flags for the counties or if there is technically 28 counties in the republic or how officially the counties of the north are not counties - and thats nothing to do with what they are called either.

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